Advice to Hubbers old and new – English as she is spoke or wrote

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By tonymac04

Some ways that English is frequently unnecessarily mangled

This is going to be my rant on the way English is so frequently mangled by people. It's not aimed at any one person – let's get that straight from the start. It's aimed at the education system and the fact that so many people don't read.

This is also not going to be a grammar lesson per se, nor will it deal with issues that also should be known by writers, like syntax and punctuation.

It is occasioned by my Grade 2 daughter coming home recently with the following sentence in her homework book: “Everybody has 10 fingers, but I cut off 3 fingers with a scissor when I tried to cut paper on my own.” This is written by my daughter's teacher. If you can't see what's wrong with it then this Hub is for you! If you can see what's wrong with maybe you could carry on reading anyway – it might be fun.

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Pedantic old fuddy-duddies!

Now I know that this sort of rant is usually made by pedantic old fuddy-duddies, and I don't count myself among them. I just have the feeling that we allow our written language to be debased at the risk of mutual misunderstanding and a loss of quality of communication.

I also realise that language is far from static – it grows and changes daily. New experiences, new discoveries, make it necessary that language should change.

What I am ranting about here is not the changes in language that are inevitable, but the sloppy use of language, especially the written language, which I suspect indicates a certain sloppiness of thought.

Not everyone can write with the eloquence and clarity of a Mark Twain or a George Bernard Shaw, and we would be very wrong to expect that of anyone.

I'm not even addressing the vexed subject of spelling, which, as we all know, is seen very differently depending on which side of the Atlantic you happen to live.

What I am going on about is the misuse of words, a misuse which is quite unnecessary in most cases, and would not happen if the writer would take the trouble to do two things – firstly, to really think about what he or she is wanting to get across to the reader, and secondly, to use the very valuable spelling and grammar checkers that are available. If you really want to do it well, there are also helps like Fowler's and various Thesauruses.

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The language mavens

As I write this I am also very conscious of those the psycho-linguist Steven Pinker calls “language mavens” and I don't particularly want to be one. In his fascinating book The Language Instinct (Penguin, 1995) he wrote: “Many prescriptive rules of grammar are just plain dumb and should be deleted from the usage handbooks.”

Pinker is very disdainful of the “language mavens” who try to correct the spoken language of other people and sit in judgement over them.

It is true that English is very flexible and many of the “rules” are there to be broken by anyone with a little creativity. This is especially true in the spoken language, but as Pinker also acknowledges, “The aspect of language use that is most worth changing is the clarity and style of written prose.”

“Expository writing requires language to express far more complex trains of thought than it was biologically designed to do.” he continues. “Inconsistencies caused by limitations of short-term memory and planning, unnoticed in conversation, are not as tolerable when preserved on a page that is to be perused more leisurely.”

Pinker explains why writing needs to be more carefully planned and executed than spoken conversations: “..unlike a conversational partner, a reader will rarely share enough background assumptions to interpolate all the missing premises that make language comprehensible.”

He continues: “Over coming one's natural egocentrism and trying to anticipate the knowledge state of a generic reader at every stage of the exposition is one of the most important tasks in writing well.”

Pinker then explains some of the things needed to write well like practice, instruction and feedback. But, he says, the most important thing is “intensive exposure to good examples.” In other words, reading, and lots of it, is essential if one wants to improve as a writer.

Pinker also recommends two manuals that are helpful to writer – Strunk and White's The Elements of Style and Joseph M./ Williams's Style: Toward Clarity and Grace . Anyone who wants to consider themselves a writer (and why else would you write on HubPages?) really needs to have one of these books, or something similar, at their side all the time.

Some prejudices and mistakes

Pinker then admits to one of his prejudices (one which I definitely share) in written English, the misuse of the worddisinterested ” to mean apathetic or uninterested. As he says, “Disinterested (I suppose I must explain that it means 'unbiased'), is such a lovely word: it is ever-so-subtly different from impartial or unbiased in implying that the person has no stake in the matter, not that he is merely committed to being even-handed out of personal principle.” This is a lovely example of how a writer should be sensitive to words and their meanings and not just assume the meaning.

Another word which Pinker mentions and which drives me figuratively up the wall is the word “fortuitous .” This does not mean “fortunate ”, which is what so many people would use it to mean. It means, according to the Concise Oxford English Dictionary, “happening by chance rather than intention.” There is a way in which “fortuitous ” can be seen to be “fortunate ” in the sense of happening by luck, but why not use the words lucky or fortunate for that? Fortuitous used well and in the right place, can then convey so much more. Which reminds me, a good dictionary is also an essential tool for a writer. Without one used frequently the writer is liable to make silly and avoidable mistakes.

Finally, writing needs practice – I have a rule of writing at least 500 words every day. I don't mean publishing 500 words every day, but writing them. They don't have to be of the highest quality – the quality can come later. But write them every day. Then read them over, think about them, see if they make sense, try to write the same ideas or thoughts in a differently.

Finally a writer needs to get into the habit of revising. When you have written something and you want to publish it, read it over a few times, including, if your spouse won't think you crazy, aloud. Reading aloud often enables one to hear something that you can not see in the written words. As Pinker wrote: “... if it's clear writing that we want, this is the kind of homely remedy that is called for.”

A final note on some common mistakes that have a negative effect on the impression you create of yourself as a writer in the mind of those who read your words:

The apostrophe “s” for example, should never be used to indicate a plural, as in snake's. Written like that it is the possessive form of the word, and would naturally be followed by something like the word “skin”. If you are indicating more than one snake, the word is snakes, without the 's.

Then there are the obvious mistakes like writing “weather” for “whether”, “your” for “you're”, and many more. When using words don't assume you know that the way you are using them is “right” - check in a reference book or ask someone who knows. There is no such thing as a stupid question, but you could look very stupid if you don't ask.

An example of why it is important to write clearly

The following is an example of what happens when a person struggles to write. I am not in any way disrespecting the person who wrote this. He or she is evidently does not speak English as a first language. This example is real. It comes from a large organisation and was an instruction to managers in that organisation from its finance department.

Budget managers at this point are facing with a challenge to procure due non availability of funds on item requested from 2009/10 financial year budget. Budget section has realise that budget managers already overspend to some of the item while other item under spending. expenditure report will be sent to all budget managers with projections on compensation of employees, column for available funds and Virement as we are already have column for shifts so that we can shifts funds to all item where funds is required. Budget managers must verify and also provide changes where necessary in order for budget section to shifts on [the financial management package - I have deleted the name of it for privacy purposes]. Shifting of funds can be done per component, per division or sub programme.

So now the managers know exactly what to do! The memo ends with this paragraph:

To request budget managers to re-submit inputs in two days after report has been received from budget section, supply chain management to approve all request based on the availability of funds of the component and Creditors payment unit to process payment based on the availability of fund of the component.



Illustration thanks to Incurable Disease of Writing http://www.missyfrye.net/Blog/?p=1379
Illustration thanks to Incurable Disease of Writing http://www.missyfrye.net/Blog/?p=1379

Writing is easy!

So there we have some of the things a writer should do: plan what you want to write, write it, revise it, check it. It does no harm to ask someone else to read it and give you feedback and could indeed prevent a lot of embarrassment.

Finally – writing is to be enjoyed. It is like a challenge, a stretching and invigorating challenge. If you don't feel that way about writing, then maybe think about whether or not you really want to be a writer.

As Stephen King has written: “Let me say it again: you must not come lightly to the blank page.”

And as Walter Wellesley "Red" Smith said, “There's nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and open a vein.”

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© Tony McGregor 2010

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hypnodude profile image

hypnodude 2 years ago

Well, I'm using wordreference at the top of his possibilities, but I understand what you mean, and I agree with you, even if I can't talk about English usage, I try to kill it too often :) But as regards Italian I agree with you, imagine that in the last two months two competitions for a job in the public sector have resulted in no winners since grammar errors where so many that could simply not be allowed. And the public sector in Italy isn't known for being one with strict rules.

Probably as you say not enough people read, maybe too much TV.

Btw where is the error in the teacher' sentence? :)

Very good hub, rated up.

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maven101 Level 5 Commenter 2 years ago

Hi Tony...Interesting Hub well worth reading and heeding....Too bad you started out the Hub with a noticeable syntax error in your opening paragraph...I should think the conjunctive " and " belongs betwixt " frequently ( and ) unnecessarily mangled ". Perhaps the Afrikaans language has no use for such ?...Hamba Kahle, my friend...Larry

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hypnodude 2 years ago

Oops I wrote his possibilities instead of its possibilities. Sorry. :)

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tonymac04 Hub Author 2 years ago

Hypnodude - thanks for the read and the comment. The teacher's error was in the word "scissors" as in English we say "a pair of scissors" and not "a scissor". The word "scissor" is a verb meaning to cut while the "pair of scissors" is the pivoted cutting instrument use to cut or scissor. Hope that helps.

Larry - I agree and if it offends too many people I will change it. I see it as headline writer's licence, though. Comes from sitting at the sub-editors' desk! If it were a normal sentence of course I would add an "and" between the "frequently" and the "unnecessarily" but in a sub-head I would think it acceptable, or at least not too offensive!

Thanks for stopping by and commenting. I appreciate it very much.

Love and peace

Tony

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Nancy's Niche Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

Great article Tony and one that I completely agree with. Did you have words with your daughter’s teacher concerning her “three finger mishap”? There are teachers in the school system that lack proper grammar usage. No, wonder our children struggle with correct sentence structure and word management.

I encourage everyone to read Stephen King’s “On Writing”. It is an easy read, educational and extremely enjoyable. I laughed aloud in several sections. He has a grand sense of humor…

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tonymac04 Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks, Nancy, for your comment. I didn't have words with the teacher but my wife, who is more of a stickler than I am for proper usage, just wrote, without comment, the correct usage into the homework book. We have heard nothing from the teacher!

"On Writing" is an enjoyable book indeed. I love when he calls the TV the "glass teat"!

Love and peace

Tony

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lmmartin Level 6 Commenter 2 years ago

You are preaching to the converts here, tonymac04, and voicing one of my favorite beefs. Yes, perhaps the problem originates in the school system, but that is no excuse for anyone designating themselves as a writer. Can one be an architect without understanding the elements of design and the limitations of engineering? Or a lawyer without understanding of law? How then can one claim the title writer without mastery of the tools and knowledge required?

I have no argument with the spoken language as sadly, most of us speak without planning or forethought most of the time, but when committing thought to posterity through writing, poor grammar, word usage and lack of skills are inexcusable in a writer. Thanks for a great hub.

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lorlie6 Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

With a great deal of relief did I see you mention "The Elements of Style!" I can see the small tome from where I type and use it often. I still make silly mistakes, however, and must admit my guilt! :)

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tonymac04 Hub Author 2 years ago

Lynda - thanks for fropping by and reading, and, of course, for your comments. As for preaching to the converted I have seen some pretty appalling writing here on HubPages which is, after all, supposedly a writing community. I'm not just talking about the non-native-English speakers either. We could all use help in writing better. Certainly I know I could.

Lorlie - thanks to you too and I'm please to hear that you have "Elements of Style" so close to hand. And don't we all, even with the best of help, make silly mistakes.

Love and peace

Tony

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Storytellersrus Level 7 Commenter 2 years ago

You certainly end with a bang! Writing is a blood-letting experience when I write from the heart. There are those who comment in agreement which warms me and those who disagree vehemently- some might say mean-spirited, but I believe they have a right to disagree- who make me think further.

I laughed through much of this hub because I found my self within it! I am grateful that you continue to read what I write considering how I began and how much I have yet to learn about communication- which is the point after all!

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William F. Torpey Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

Nice work, Tony. The best writers give enough time and thought to their work to insure that their readers are not required to do cartwheels to understand what is written. If a writer can't take the time to spell correctly and put his/her thoughts in proper English (or other language) then how could he/she expect the reader to comprehend what is written? While writers' priority should be to have their scribbles read, some writers on HubPages and elsewhere are sidetracked by the lure of earning revenue from the hubs, which sometimes leads to a lower priority on writing skills than one might wish. I sincerely hope this hub is read by every hubber.

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Dao Hoa 2 years ago

I completely agree with you that one who is a writer should proofread one’s writing to avoid embarrassment.

Sadly, I also have seen many common mistakes.

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BrianS 2 years ago

Good topic Tony, I have found myself slipping in to bad habits as well. One of my favorite tricks is to over run a sentence. In other words change subject mid sentence without using the correct punctuation; or even worse not using it at all.

I find that re-reading and tweaking what I have written, perhaps the next day when you can see what you have written in a new light, helps. That said we only have so many hours in a day, so taking care and getting it right first time is probably better.

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ethel smith Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

I do think modern life has took its toll on our language. Nowe we are more international we pick up the odd foreign phrases and the like. I was very good at English at school but that was over forty years ago. Down the years you pick up bad habits.

Perhaps also places like Hubpages are fun places and we writers tend to be a bit sloppy at times.

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JOE BARNETT 2 years ago

interesting tony. i was beginning to think i was crazy or something.when i was coming up spelling and grammar were checked and re-checked. now, i think the texting and e-mails have done away that or at least are eroding it.certainly something to watch out for. good article!

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tonymac04 Hub Author 2 years ago

Story, William, Dao Hoa, Brian, Ethel, Joe - thanks for your valuable and much-appreciated comments. Your support is really wonderful to experience.

We do all tend to be a little sloppy from time to time but we as writers need always to keep our readers in mind, because without them we write in vain!

Thanks again

Love and peace

Tony

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prettydarkhorse Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

interesting Tony, you make writing so easy hehe, sometimes we rush to write as well,

Thanks and have a great weekend, Maita

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cameciob Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

The Internet is mostly an English language community. If one wants to write for the web it must be in English. Other languages have no chance. But what can one do if he's in his 40s and doesn't master the English language? Maybe he is a brilliant writer and can "open a vain" any time but has no dictionary to express his creativity? This is the death of the Babylon.

Personally, I needed much courage to publish my first web piece. I'm still thinking it is a mistake on my part to continue writing. Better I shall stop.

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tonymac04 Hub Author 2 years ago

Maita - thanks for dropping by. Yes, we often do write in haste, wnating to get our piece up, and that's the way it goes, really. I know we all make mistakes. I know I often do!

Camelia - I know that English is a tricky language and that the Web is skewed towards English which makes it very difficult for non-native-English speakers. I have read some of your Hubs and find them wonderful. You have such a wealth of experience and knowledge. I have no problem with the way you write either - it's really nice. No-one expects perfection in language use. Maybe it would help you, if you feel uncomfortable with your writing, to show it to someone who is good at English and get them to help you. Remeber that one of the greatest writers in English was a Pole, who also struggled at first, Joseph Conrad. He is now recognised as one of the greatest writers in English. So please don't give up your writing. We would all be the poorer! Your writing is good. I love it.

Love and peace,

Tony

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Tammy Lochmann Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

I have had "The Elements of Style" with me since I started writing regularly. I have it with me everywhere I go. I also write three pages a day on anything that pops into my mind. I am glad to know that some of my habits are shared with seasoned writers. I have a long way to go. I will be bookmarking this for reference.

Thank you, Tammy

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Dolores Monet Level 7 Commenter 2 years ago

Tony, this is a very important hub. The problem with the incorrect use of English, poor grammar and the like, subtracts from our ability to understand what the writer is trying to communicate. If you write poorly, you just don't get your message across. Not all of us are perfect writers, but just trying to write correctly will, hopefully, lead us in the right direction.

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callmefoxxy Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

LMAO. I thoroughly enjoyed your rant.

callmefoxxy, my pen is a mighty sword!

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Makiwa 2 years ago

Hi Tony

Thank you. One again a great write. Strunk & White's Elements of Style shows us that by removing useless words writing has more impact.

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tonymac04 Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks for the read and comment, Makiwa. BTW when will we see a new Hub from you? I'm missing your writing.

Love and peace

Tony

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Mystique1957 2 years ago

Excellent hub, Tony!

You can never be careful enough when writing, in any language for that matter! I taught English as a Second Language and Spanish in Japan, and here in my country(Venezuela), and people think that because they are native speakers they naturally possess perfect knowledge and usage of the language. I have my Thesaurus, Dictionary of Synonyms and Translators on my browser`s tool bar. It is necessary!

Great advices, my friend!

Two thumbs up!

kind regards,

Mystique

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James A Watkins Level 8 Commenter 2 years ago

Tony,

I very much enjoyed your article here. It is chock full of excellent advice. And I will add that the Elements of Style is one of my favorite little books.

James

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tonymac04 Hub Author 2 years ago

Mystique - one needs to be aware at all times while writing, it's true. And sometimes we native speakers are the most at fault when it comes to making silly, elementary mistakes.

James - Elements of Style is indeed a great little book, much overlooked by many, I fear.

Thanks to both of you for coming by, reading and commenting. I appreciate it very much indeed,

Love and peace

Tony

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Hummingbird5356 Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

Hello, you mentioned Steven Pinker on one of my hubs and I bought the book, The Language Instinct. I have just written a small hub on part of this book. That is when I found this hub of yours. It is very good. Language is something that always changes but I also do not like it when people adulterate languages. Two instances are when people use myself and yourself. Instead of "How are you?" "hows yourself?" Instead of "give it to me" they say "give it to myself".

I lived in Germany for 15 years and when I returned to England people were saying this and other things that I had not heard beforehand. No one seems to know where they came from but they use these words as if they always have.

There is the potential for many hubs to come. Anyway, an excellent hub. Thank you.

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tonymac04 Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks for you kind words, Hummingbird, I really appreciate that you took the time to read and comment. Glad you have bought Pinker's book - it really is an interesting and informative read.

Love and peace

Tony

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Internetwriter62 Level 3 Commenter 22 months ago

Thank you Tonymac04 for an excellent hub on writing and proper usage. There are some writers with excellent ideas and research that receive lower author scores, because they simply need to know how to organize their writing, so that it flows. This is a must read for anyone who wants to succeed at Hub Pages or writing in general.

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tonymac04 Hub Author 22 months ago

Internetwriter62 - thanks so mucxh for your very supportive comment. I really do appreciate it. I also like to be helpful and this was just my little attempt to be so.

Love and peace

Tony

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McHamlet 22 months ago

Well said and well written, and well, I concur. We should take our writing seriously even, and perhaps especially, when we use it in unorthodox ways; and there are too many people, some in surprisingly influential positions, who participate in the unmerciful mangling of English, often for no apparent reason other than expediency. And that just ain't good enough as far as I'm concerned.

A useful and insightful hub, thanks for sharing')

P.S. The first time I wrote the above, I wrote 'the unmerciful mangling of Enlgish', lol')

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tonymac04 Hub Author 22 months ago

Paul - thank you so much for visiting and leaving such a super comment! Much appreciated indeed.

Love and peace

Tony

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vaidy19 22 months ago

Hi Tony,

A hub that is not just timely but one that can bear regular reprint.

I am not sure about the observation you make(while you present an example): 'He or she is evidently does not speak English as a first language.' I think you might have made this point in a hurry.

Wikipedia defines first language as follows:

'A first language (also native language, arterial language, or L1) is the language a person has learned from birth or speaks the best, and is often the basis for sociolinguistic identity.'

By 'first language' if you mean one's mother tongue or native language, then your observation simply is not true. There are many excellent English writers to whom English was once an alien language. You will find such writers in many parts of the world, among which India will figure prominently. I have a point to make here - knowledge of another language helps one understand and use one's native language much better than he or she otherwise can or does, and this goes for the native English speaker, too. I also think it worth exploring whether a language-user can be at his or her linguistic best when they know just one language. Knowing just one language can mean that one remains unaware of certain aspects of language in general and, as a consequence, does not fully realize one's natural potential in the realm of language.

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tonymac04 Hub Author 22 months ago

Vaidy - I know there are many excellent writers in English for whom English is not their first or native tongue. The point I was making in the comment you refer to is simply that that particular writer was not a mother tongue English speaker and that is the reason for the poor use of language in the memo used as an example. I do not believe for one moment that non-mother tongue English speakers or writers cannot speak or write properly - as you say very often the very fact that they are speaking English as a second language makes them more conscious of correct usage and grammar.

In South Africa the situation is compounded by the ravages of Bantu Education which deliberately foisted a second class education on Blacks. This particular writer is writing against that kind of background - it is not a reflection on his or her intelligence or anything like that.

I totally agree also that being bi- or multi-lingual is very usful in helping better use of language generally. I myself speak three languages reasonably well and have smatterings of another three or four! I love languages and the cultures they represent.

Thanks for an interesting observation. Much appreciated.

Love and peace

Tony

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Teresa Schultz Level 4 Commenter 22 months ago

An interesting read - and it reminds me of a time a few weeks back when my 12 year old son was driving me dilly: He kept writing "allowed" as "aloud."

I tried to explain it to him like this:

I told him to write "I was not allowed to play outside."

He wrote "I was not aloud to play outside."

I said nothing.

I then told him to write "I will now allow you to do that." He got it right.

I then explained to him that if it sounded like the word (aloud or allowed) could be "allow" in the present tense, his sentence was not going to be correct if he wrote it as "aloud" for past tense.

I also made him write out "I heard a loud bang."

I hope it works to help him remember!

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tonymac04 Hub Author 22 months ago

Great example, Teresa! Thanks so much for adding to the discussion.

Love and peace

Tony

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Freya Cesare Level 4 Commenter 19 months ago

Writing English as my second language definitely challenging for me. Even I able to recognized the mistake inside the words “Everybody has 10 fingers, but I cut off 3 fingers with a scissor when I tried to cut paper on my own.” still, I know very well my limitation. Thank you for the advices.

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tonymac04 Hub Author 19 months ago

Freya - I am always in awe of those who can write as eloquently and well as you do in a second language. Thanks for stopping by.

Love and salaam

Tony

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Micky Dee Level 4 Commenter 15 months ago

Great write Tony. I love works of not so great grammar, probably better than the best written literature in the world. Patrick McManus is one of my favorite writers. He wrote many funny stories for "Field and Stream".I truly dislike the complexity of the English language. The silliest rule the world has ever known, must be "i" before "e" except after "c". As in "leisurely". Ooops! See what I mean? Honestly! Absolutely asinine! Great write Tony!

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tonymac04 Hub Author 15 months ago

My brotherman! I know what you mean indeed! English is a tricky language and some of the rules are indeed asinine!

Thanks for stopping by, buddy!

Love and peace

Tony

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mrpopo 12 months ago

Lovely read! I'll be sure to use these tips in my own writings.

For a moment there, I thought disinterested, apathetic/uninterested, and unbiased/impartial meant the same thing! I never noticed the subtle differences between the word meanings. Learn something new everyday huh?

Thanks for a great Hub!

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